Response to the Logician: 070903:
Part IV of VI
Logician: …Your work states that god is a rational being, …
Djs: You would suggest otherwise? If one suggests God is not a ‘rational being’ than there is no rational discussion to take place and this very exercise becomes irrelevant.
Logician: …what you mean is your version of god in your mind would be as rational as you think, and so will also think the way you think it should think. …
Djs: I am not suggesting that ‘God thinks like me’ but rather that ‘I think like God’. As religions say: ‘God created man in his image and in the image of God created He man.’
I am simply beginning my ontological discussions from fundamental premises of religions and proceeding from there. I am also demonstrating, using the tool of metaphysical modeling, that the fundamental ontological premises, are steeped in rationality and reason.
Logician: …My works have been around for a time now and have met all sorts of responses, all of them correct from the point of view of the reader, …
Djs: …all of them correct from the point of view of the reader, … - This is known as ‘relative moralism’. Such a positing is based upon the fundamental: There is no such thing as absolute truth other than the statement there is no such thing as absolute truth.
Anyone and everyone has the ‘right’ to ‘believe’ such a fundamental principle but such a fundamental principle voids all legitimacy of opposing dialectics based upon reason.
Logician: … and I embraced them all, some of them tore it onto shreds then reassembled the pieces into a manner they thought better suited them and their own personal situation. When they showed the result and stated that this is what is should have said if it should apply to them I simply replied, all I gave was the blueprint, no two solutions are they same, all solutions are unique, as long as you find a solution that helps you, then the blueprint works. …
Djs: … as long as you find a solution that helps you, then the blueprint works. … -That is exactly the product of your model: There is no such thing as ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, moral and immoral, good and bad, ethical and unethical, …
Logician: …I never set out to give all life on earth a solution. …
Djs: Solutions are what people are looking for, are what people have been seeking since they began thinking and they look to the ‘thinkers’ to provide the answers.
If the ‘thinkers’ refuse to tackle the issues, the ‘thinkers’ are shirking there very reason for having been given the ability to think.
Logician: …I did however set out the availability of solutions for all. …
Djs: No you provided no solution at all, to suggest that everybody is correct is to suggest there is no ‘solution’ at all.
People are yearning for answers to the questions: What is reality? What are we? Why do we exist? Is there life after physical death? My son or daughter died, where are they now? ... To say the answer is whatever they want it to be is to suggest there is no answer.
An analogy: To suggest everyone’s paintings are ‘art’ is to suggest there is no such thing as art. To suggest everyone’s pounding upon the piano keys is ‘music’ is to suggest there is no such thing as music. To suggest everyone’s solution to the equation 2 + 2 = ? is correct even if they answer 3, is to suggest there is no such thing as mathematics.
Logician: …Your question of survival if we are doomed to die is a common one by others too. The answer is as follows : Who am I to tell you, what to believe?
Djs: You speak of ‘belief’. This site demonstrating the model of reality called symbiotic panentheism, has nothing to do with ‘belief’. Reason, dialectics steeped in reason and rationality are the bases of the model.
‘Beliefs’ may be reasonable but they are not based upon reason. Beliefs are still ‘beliefs’ even if they are unreasonable because they are what they are, namely ‘beliefs’.
Logician: …I have a belief that allows me to think that when I die, it is only a physical response to prolonged exposure to physical time, yet there is still a part of me that does not die at that specific time as it is not physical. …
Djs: That is as it should be. Your ‘belief’ is your ‘belief’. Your have the ‘right’ to ‘believe’ whatever you wish to ‘believe’ but that does not make it a reasonable or rational concept.