Logician

You are preventing the advent of humankind and re-establishing worshipping of a principle and ideology in the form of an icon called God.

Djs:

      You have misstated symbiotic panentheism, the model of reality, perhaps because do not understand it. The model in no way does ‘re-establishs’ worship, nor does it destroy worship. Symbiotic panentheism is simply a model of reality which emerges on its own through a ‘process’. The process is one where all existence including non-existence is discarded and then replaced like a jigsaw puzzle. The only pieces of the puzzle which are replaced are those which can be validated by all three of our perceptual tools, namely: observation and measurement epitomized by science -  faith and ancient wisdom epitomized by religion – reason and dialectics epitomized by philosophy. 

Such a process builds the best model of reality we are capable of constructing from the knowledge we presently have available.

The word ‘presently’ is used because the model is a ‘living’ model intended to change as our knowledge of religion, ancient wisdom, faith, observations, measurements, science, philosophy, reason, and dialectics advance.

As for the ‘icon’ God, well that is concept I would be happy to explain if you would like me to do so. Let me just say for now, however, that symbiotic panentheism advances the concept of ‘God’/the whole/the creator to a form never before acknowledge and that is to a form which is not composed of matter, energy, time, and/or space.

Logician

There are Eastern faiths that preach exactly the same as you have put forward, about how we are a part of God’s immortal soul and we live in a void created by Him but they refer to it as “The Song” and not the universe. Others state that the universe is but an infinitesimal part of God’s soul and heart and we all play an important part in imparting our experiences to Him on our deaths. Judean belief a branch off from Persian beliefs like Zoroastrian used the same logic in their doctrine where all will face the “Creator Jehovah” and give an account of their lives to be judged by Him and then with Divine right He will either allow you to fly as one of His “White Angels” or as one of “his angels” for the rest of eternity. This is I am afraid, utter tosh.

Djs:

You have touched upon a really exciting aspect of symbiotic panentheism although it is not the direct aspect to which you refer but rather an aspect which is indirectly indicated by your comments.

Symbiotic panentheism is a model which, as described previously in this reply, emerges from the complete lack of all including the lack of non-existence. Once the model emerges the exciting realization also emerges that symbiotic panentheism is validated not only by scientific and philosophical principles but is found to encompass Gnostic, Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Christian, Zoroastic, Tao, Atheistic, … fundamental concepts. In short, ancient wisdom validates the model rather than the model validating ancient wisdom.

Logician

Do you really think for a second that every soul allowed to take a journey here on Earth for however long is the soul property of a creator?

Djs:

Absolutely not! The model in no way indicates the soul is the property of the creator! The model ‘raises’ our perception of the soul, the individual, to the level where the soul, the individual, the discrete becomes a ‘partner’ with the creator, the whole, the non-discrete.

Logician

What kind of man are you? Are you trying to make other souls believe that they are only rented?

Djs:

You totally misunderstand the model if this is what you conclude. The model clearly demonstrates the soul is yours and yours alone and then goes on to explain you are responsible for what your soul ‘becomes’ and what your soul adds to the whole. 

Logician

That they have no worth other than to the creator as a whole?

Djs:

The model clearly demonstrates that you ‘add’ to the creator while at the same time demonstrating you ‘create’ your own ‘self’ and the soul is what you created and exists as ‘your discrete self’ which adds to the whole, the creator.

Thus you not only are responsible for ‘creating’ what it is your soul becomes but what it is you soul becomes immersed within, the environment within which your soul is to be immersed.

Logician

I understand this logic if you cannot get your head around the creator, but for crying out loud young man, you’re telling everyone that they have no free will whatsoever and are all born equals because we are all born slaves of a deity.

Djs:

Wow, you really don’t understand do you. I have to confess I have an overwhelming sense of inadequacy. After ten years of writing I am still unable to clearly, concisely, and thoroughly describe the model and its implications. With responsibility comes ‘effect’ not only to others but to your ‘self’.

The model is so simple for me to understand yet so very difficult for others to comprehend. After having put much thought into this paradox, the only reason I can give for this differential is that I am willing to to drop all preconceived principles and literally start from scratch, start from the lack of both existence and non-existence while others appear to be open to discarding only ‘some’ aspects of reality.

Logician

Oh, and by the way, before you rush to the conclusion that I am an Atheist, you could not be further from the truth if you tried. I am a believer in a great many things, including all Gods.

Djs: I not sure I know what that means for you, but OK. When I say the same thing I do know what that means. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you mean.

To be continued: Part IV ov IV 

...Logician