Response to the Logician: 070611: Part IV of IV
...Djs: I did consider putting the concepts out there anonymously. I decided if I was to throw ideas into the pool of human knowledge I should take responsibility for what it is I did. As such I reluctantly accept the responsibility and put my name to the work.
Logician: Kudos and respect.
Djs: You do not know there is a God. We do not know anything for certain.
Logician: Don’t I? Very presumptuous of you.
Djs: We don’t even know for certain we exist.
Logician: Yes we do.
Djs: The purity of faith has no room for reason and dialectics.
Djs: We observe we exist. We measure our existence. Science, for the most part, tells us we exist. We believe we exist. Ancient wisdom tells us we exist. Religion, for the most part, tells us we exist. We reason we exist. Dialectics conclude we exist. Philosophy, for the most part, tells us we exist. These three tools, observation, faith, reason, lead us to conclude we exist. And that is the best we can do regarding truth.
Logician: Or you can just accept that we do, it really can be that simple.
Djs: If one wishes to limit the scope of understanding to faith alone, then you are correct, it is that simple.
Djs: When you say, You think there is a God I KNOW THERE IS ! what you are actually saying is you believe with your whole being that God exists. That is faith, that is religion.
Logician: No, sorry you are the one with a possible misunderstanding here. When I stated I know there is God, it is because there is.
Djs: Faith is as beautiful as it is abhorrent. Faith gives humankind eternal hope and eternal hopelessness. Faith stands on its own. Faith has no need of science, reason or dialectics. But faith bolstered by science, reason and dialectics is more likely to represent truth than faith alone.
Djs: There is nothing wrong with having faith.
Logician: The cornerstone of all human society.
Djs: The question becomes is faith alone enough to act as the cornerstone of a more advanced, higher order form of human society in the future? If faith contradicts science, reason and dialectics then I think not.
If as a species we decide to remain as we are, decide not to form a more adanced, higher order form of human society for the future, then yes faith is enough and science, reason and dialectics can be set aside.
Djs: What is lacking in today’s understanding of God and Reality, however, is the reinforcement from the other two tools, namely: observation and
measurement/science and reason and dialectics/philosophy.
Logician: Not really, to believe that you can measure everything is I.M.H.O. a foolish endeavour.
Djs: I agree but I would also add, to believe we can measure nothing is also a foolish endeavor.
Djs: The difference, however, between you and I appears to be, you believe in God.
Logician: Yet again, I do not believe in God, I know God exists, I do not understand your misinterpretation of this simple logic. Hopefully this can explain it for you; you do not have to believe in a tree to know that it exists.
Djs: If one has never seen a tree, then yes one has to ‘believe’ in a tree to ‘know’ it exists.
Djs: I on the other hand both believe in God AND have added the tools of reason and dialectics/philosophy and observation and measurement/science to reinforce faith’s fundamental principle that God exists and then moved forward to use the tools of cosmology, ontology, and metaphysics to understand how it is we each have a direct role to play in the very growth of God and as such we, each and every one of us, has immense significance in this thing we call Reality and as such we, each and every one of us, has an immense responsibility.
Logician: Kudos and respect.
So, Mr. Shepard, may I thank you yet again for your reply.
Peace, Love and Respect
Remember : Religion guides you, it doesn’t rule you.
J °C
Logician
Djs: My pleasure
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