From the Logician: Part IV of V
...An analogy: To suggest everyone’s paintings are art is to suggest there is no such thing as art.
To suggest that everyone’s paintings are not art, is to believe that art can only take a certain form. When a child draws a picture that makes no sense to anyone else but the child it is true art, to believe that art can only be found in certain places is not only being a snob, but a fool as well.
To suggest everyone’s pounding upon the piano keys is music is to suggest there is no such thing as music.
It is music to the person pounding upon the keys, just because sometimes its more melodic than others does not mean it’s not music. Thrash metal is to some an unholy racket, but to others it is the sweetest sound. How you get to the bit about it suggesting there is no such thing as music is I am afraid beyond be, it’s all music. Narrow mindedness I suppose.
To suggest everyone’s solution to the equation 2 + 2 = ? is correct even if they answer 3, is to suggest there is no such thing as mathematics.
Irrelevant statement to the argument that all answers are correct.
Djs: You speak of belief. This site demonstrating the model of reality called symbiotic panentheism, has nothing to do with belief. Reason, dialectics steeped in reason and rationality are the bases of the model.
Yes it does, can’t you see that? It’s your belief. Colour it as you will, there is no difference between what you have written on your site and any other form of dogma. All beliefs validate themselves through reason, their own reasoning, just like yours does.
Beliefs may be reasonable but they are not based upon reason. Beliefs are still beliefs even if they are unreasonable because they are what they are, namely beliefs.
All beliefs are based upon reason, the reasoning of the individual involved.
Djs: That is as it should be. Your belief is your belief. Your have the right to believe whatever you wish to believe but that does not make it a reasonable or rational concept.
Again with this belief rigmarole, listen, I said I believe that when I die some part of me doesn’t, it’s not a belief I just want to believe that it could be true, I might be wrong, I’ll find out when it happens, to be honest, I don’t dwell upon my demise, I’m too busy living.
Djs: I am not telling you to believe anything. I am just proposing a model of reality based upon reason and rationality.
You are telling me to believe in your model of reality, otherwise why did you write it if you didn’t want people to believe in it?
You have the right to believe whatever it is you wish to believe.
Damn right, and what you have written is for the most part very believable. Your arguments are sound and your reasoning very well thought out if I may say so.
I am here to participate in dialectics based upon reason not simply what it is one believes.
That is very obvious
Djs: Because you call it this or that does not make it so, rather it simply is a statement of what you believe.
English speakers call it Blue, Danes call it Blå, French Bleu etc…
For instance: If a blind man feels the leg of an elephant, he may believe it is a tree but does not make the elephant a tree.
Only if the blind man was deaf and had no sense of smell or it would be a smelly breathing tree.
Djs: You are correct. There is life after death or there isn’t. Life after death is not dependent upon what you believe, it either is or it isn’t.
Can’t fault you there old chap!
Djs: Again, I am not dealing with beliefs but rather I am proposing rational arguments.
Again
I state the following and then provide the rationale dialectics for such statements:
- You exist yes
- I exist yes
- The physical universe exists yes
- The Whole exists so you believe
- You and I are within the physical universe yes
- The physical universe lies within the Whole/God so you believe
These six statements describe panentheism.
- All that exists impacts all else that exists (including the existence of non-existence) symbiosis
Thus symbiotic panentheism. Only if the previous seven statements were proven to be true
Symbiotic panentheism is a form of panentheism. Yes
Symbiotic panentheism is literally a model of reality, nothing more. Agreed
Symbiotic panentheism is not based upon beliefs but rather based upon reason.
A.k.a. belief in the validity of the reasoning behind the statement
That’s all, nothing more, nothing less.
All or nothing would be a better description IMHO, ok maybe not so humble.
Djs: Truth is truth and does not change over time. Our perception of truth may change as we grow to understand reality but that does not change truth, what it changes is simply our perception.
To be continued: Part V of V: So you dismiss the truth of the ancestors? ...
