Logician: … Just what that is, is up to me to find out in my own way and not to be told by someone who thinks they know more about life than I do or anyone else does for that matter. …

Djs: I am not ‘telling’ you to ‘believe’ anything. I am just proposing a model of reality based upon reason and rationality.

You have the ‘right’ to believe’ whatever it is you wish to ‘believe’.

I am here to participate in dialectics based upon ‘reason’ not simply what it is one ‘believes’.

Logician: …When I find out what I want to call it, i.e. a soul, it will be something that I choose. …

Djs: Because you ‘call it’ this or that does not make it so, rather it simply is a statement of what you believe.

For instance: If a blind man feels the leg of an elephant, he may ‘believe’ it is a tree but does not make the elephant a tree.

Logician: …It also allows me to be totally incorrect and in conflict with what others believe happen to them when they die, and it doesn’t matter one iota. …

Djs: You are correct. There is life after death or there isn’t. Life after death is not dependent upon what ‘you believe’, it either is or it isn’t.

Logician: … My belief is an all encompassing belief, call it omni-religious, if you will (it’s just a hyphenated word, not a rule), I represent humans and human behaviour without being a human saviour, remember when I asked you about the responsibility given to those of us who tread paths that were not meant for us? You stood and said you knew the inherent danger and were willing to put your name to it, well, it also gives you as an individual absolute “power” (within those who choose to embrace your teachings), I on the other hand disperse the “power” available to all humans and change it from “power” to responsibility of the individual and the respect of the individual to encompass all life, in other words all peoples for the first time have a reason for living, based upon the respect if the individual, the local, the national, the cultural and thus the global definition of the human species, we all become ambassadors of our species in each others eyes thus removing the inherent danger usually associated with these types of methods, by giving it freely to them all. Without changing on iota of whom they are. All become responsible for everything all do. (Scary eh!?) No one left to blame, except ourselves. No excuses for what happens after the implementation of the solution, and no going back either. (Even more scary!) A true test of all religious beliefs ever written, can humans take the reins and reign themselves? They haven’t been able to up until now, but I am one who believes that we can if we want to, we just have to want to.

Djs: I applaud your efforts and hopes for both humanity as a whole and the individual itself.

Logician: …Your works within the spiritual “sphere” of a human’s personal philosophy, are your interpretation only and “should” not to be impressed upon people who have no idea of what or who a divine entity is. As stated before you have reduced god into a pigeon hole with a label on it. God if you let God be what God is,  is indefinable, just ask any true believer and they will tell you the same, therefore you have no right to tell them otherwise. …

Djs: Again, I am not dealing with ‘beliefs’ but rather I am proposing rational arguments.

I state the following and then provide the rationale dialectics for such statements:

1. You exist
2. I exist
3. The physical universe exists
4. The Whole exists
5. You and I are ‘within’ the physical universe
6. The physical universe lies ‘within’ the Whole/God

These six statements describe panentheism.

7. All that exists impacts all else that exists (including the existence of non-existence) – symbiosis

Thus symbiotic panentheism.

Symbiotic panentheism is a form of panentheism.

Symbiotic panentheism is literally a model of reality, nothing more.

Symbiotic panentheism is not based upon ‘beliefs’ but rather based upon ‘reason’.

That’s all, nothing more, nothing less.

Logician: … You state that there is a divine part of a human, what you mean is there is a part of a human that even you cannot explain fully and so you associate this trait with being divine. …

Djs: … but I do explain it. I have not avoided explicitly addressing any issues regarding human divinity.